"Prolonged detention" without a trial for American Citizens?

Would Pro-Life Christians and Veterans be suspect?

See also  Barbed Wire Camps for American Citizens

Updated on

Dec. 1, 2011

First posted

June 2, 2009



"Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. " Mark 13:33

“These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”  John 16:33


Secret Bill to be voted on would allow the military to sweep up US citizens at home or abroad: "...the Senate will vote [expected this week] on a bill that allows the US military to imprison civilians with no formal charges and hold them with no trial....

    "...the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)...would:

    1. Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trials....

    2. Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control... 

    3. Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice."

On April 7, 2009, the Department of Homeland Security issued a controversial report on "rightwing extremism." Titled Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment, its warning seems to be aimed at creating a special class of Americans: those who question and resist the rapid shift to socialism. These targeted groups (who still appreciate our Constitution and its promised human rights) must now be vilified as "the enemy of the people" -- a dangerous threat to peace and unity. According to this report,

"Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration....

"Prominent antigovernment conspiracy theorists have incorporated aspects of an impending economic collapse to intensify fear and paranoia among like-minded individuals and to attract recruits during times of economic uncertainty. Conspiracy theories involving declarations of martial law, impending civil strife or racial conflict, suspension of the U.S. Constitution, and the creation of citizen detention camps often incorporate aspects of a failed economy."

USA Patriot Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005, SEC. 605. (a) There is hereby created and established a permanent police force, to be known as the `United States Secret Service Uniformed Division'. Subject to the supervision of the Secretary of Homeland Security, the United States Secret Service Uniformed Division shall perform such duties as the Director, United States Secret Service, may prescribe.... Under the direction of the Director of the Secret Service, members of the United States Secret Service Uniformed Division are authorized to--...make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence."

The source of the quotes below is a video released by MSNBC on May 26, 2009. President Obama was speaking in front of the actual U.S. Constitution at the National Archives. MSNBC's liberal political analyst Rachel Maddow -- who has been a supporter of Obama -- added her observations later. In other words, this was not a dialogue.

Parts of Obama's message may seem irrelevant to American citizens, but recent changes in our government have raised new concerns. Remember the document on "right-wing extremism" issued by the Department of Homeland Security. Its list of potential threats includes loyal veterans as well as those who are "antigovernment" and oppose open borders and abortion. Secretary Janet Napolitano announced that this controversial report--

"is one in an ongoing series of assessments to provide situational awareness ... on the phenomenon and trends of violent radicalization in the United States. ... 'We ...must protect the country from terrorism whether foreign or homegrown, and regardless of the ideology that motivates its violence."

Could Christianity be considered such an "ideology?" Biblical Truth is clearly a major focus of the "Hate Crimes" bill. When it becomes law, Christian moral guidelines could be blamed for such contemptible acts as the murder of abortionist Dr. Tiller in 2009. In fact, that tragic killing could well be used to speed the passage of the bill -- and to vilify Christians who have no desire to hurt anyone. As Hillary Clinton said, "Never waste a good crisis."

President Obama's plan to make "prolonged detention" consistent with Constitutional law could eventually be applied to ordinary Americans who simply refuse to trade God's Word for the new global values.

Rachel Maddow: "A tale of two speeches both from the same man, both from president Obama. One speech that could have been billed as a Ballad to the Constitution.... And in another speech announcing a radical new claim of 'presidential power' that is not afforded by the Constitution and that has never been attempted in American history....

OBAMA: "...The decisions that were made over the last eight years established an ad hoc legal approach for 'fighting terrorism' that was neither effective nor sustainable."

Maddow: "An 'ad hoc legal approach for fighting terrorism' ­ that 'was neither effective nor sustainable.' Ouch! Then moments later he announced his own ad hoc legal approach for fighting terrorism. President Obama today proposed something called 'prolonged detention.' Doesn't sound that bad right? Did you ever see the movie "Minority Report"? ...it came out in 2002 and starred Tom Cruise, remember? He played a police officer in something called the Department of Pre-Crime. Pre-Crime is where people are arrested and incarcerated to prevent crimes that they have not yet committed! ... Putting someone in jail, not for what they have done, but for what you are very sure they're going to do?"  

OBAMA: "There may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted; but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States."  

Maddow: "We're not prosecuting them for past crimes, but we need to keep them in prison because of our expectation of their future crimes."  

OBAMA: "Al Qaeda and their affiliates are at war with the United States and those that we capture, like other prisoners of war, must be prevented from attacking us again."  

Maddow: "Prevented" We will incarcerate people preventively! Preventive Incarceration! Indefinite detention without trial; that's what this is! That's what president Obama proposed today. If you strip away the euphemisms, one civil liberties advocate told the NY Times today:  

"We've known this was on the horizon for many years, but we were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning...."
OBAMA: "...but we must do so with an abiding confidence of The Rule of Law. Our government was defending positions that undermined The Rule of Law, to insure that they are in line with The Rule of Law."  

Maddow: "How can a president speak the kind of poetry that president Obama does about The Rule of Law AND call for the power to indefinitely, preventively imprison people because they might commit crimes in the future? How can these things co-exist in the same man, even in the same speech? Well this brings us to the self-conscious awkwardly embarrassing part of this speech today. After condemning the Bush administration for what he called their 'ad-hoc legal strategy'; for trying to make things seem legal that patently weren't -- this is what Obama proposed."  

OBAMA: "My administration has begun to reshape the standards that apply to insure that they are in line with The Rule of Law. We must have clear and lawful defensible standards for who shall fall into this category. ... We must have a thorough process of periodic review so that any prolonged detention is kept carefully evaluated and justified! Our goal is to construct a legitimate legal framework for the remaining Guantanamo detainees that cannot be transferred. Our goal is not to avoid a legitimate framework. In our constitutional system, prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man."  

"If and when we determine that the United States must hold individuals to keep them from carrying out an act of war; we will do so within a system that involves judicial and congressional oversight. And so going forward, my administration will work with congress to develop an appropriate legal regimen so that our efforts are consistent with our values and our constitution."  

Maddow: "You'll construct a legal regime to make indefinite detentions legal -- you will develop an appropriate legal regimen! So you can construct a whole new system outside the courts -- even outside the military commissions -- so that you can indefinitely imprison people without charges, and you'll build that system from scratch. What's that somebody said about 'Ad-hoc legal strategies'?"   

OBAMA: "Right now in distant training camps and in crowded cities, there are people plotting to take American lives. That will be the case a year from now; five years from now; and in all probability ten years from now."  

Maddow: "Ten years from now? ... Prolonged Detention he's calling it. This was a beautiful speech from president Obama today with patriotic, moving, and even poetic language about The Rule of Law and the Constitution -- and -- one of the most radical proposals for defying the Constitution that we have ever heard made to the American people."

Ponder this reaction from Dr. Warren Hern, a late-term abortion doctor in Boulder:

 "...we have a fascist movement in this country.... We don't have to invade Iraq to find terrorists. They're right here.... Dr. Tiller is dead by an anti-abortion assassin, and this is the absolutely inevitable consequence of 35 years of anti-abortion fanatic rhetoric and intimidation and assassination violence and exploitation by the Republican Party of this movement."

I suggest you watch this video: Bipartisan opposition to NDAA’s indefinite military detention: Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) is one of those opposed to "indefinite detention."

May God awaken His people to the spiritual war raging behind the visible world! And may He equip us to stand firm in His Truth, persevere in faith, and demonstrate His love to others -- no matter what challenges we face!

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6

More information: New Executive Order - "We Can Take Anything from Anyone at Any Time"

and   Enemy of the People ~ Proof of a Conspiracy