Bezmenov on demoralization"
Interview with Yuri
by Edward Griffin - 1984
transcription exposes KGB's subversive tactics against western
society. In this interview, Yuri Bezmenov explains how Marxist ideology
is deconstructing America's values, destabilizing the economy, and
provoking crises in order to sovietize the free world.
of the videos below are from different portions of the same
interview. (We removed the earlier links to Youtube since they
no longer worked)
Bezmenov on demoralization
Bezmenov on Marxists, useful
Bezmenov on American mass media
Bezmenov on KGB interest in
you spoke before about "ideological subversion" and that's a phrase
that I'm afraid some Americans don't understand. When the Soviets
use the phrase "ideological subversion" what do they mean by it?
1. YURI BEZMENOV:
is the process which is legitimate and open. You can see it with
your own eyes.... It has nothing to do with espionage.
I know that intelligence gathering looks more romantic.... That's
probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond
types of films.
But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is
NOT in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion,
and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about
15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such.
The other 85% is a slow process which we call either
ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare.
What it basically
means is: to change the perception of reality of every American
that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to
come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves,
their families, their community, and their country.
It's a great brainwashing process which
goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages. The
first one being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20
years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this
is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation
of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology
of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology
is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generation of
American students without being challenged or counterbalanced
by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism....
The result? The result you can see ... the
people who graduated in the 60's, dropouts or half-baked
intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power
in the government,
civil service, business, mass media, and educational systems.
You are stuck with them. You can't get through to them. They are
contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain
stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information.
Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still
can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.
In other words [for] these people the process
of demoralization is complete and irreversible.
To rid society of these people you need another 15 or 20 years to
educate a new generation of patriotically minded and common sense
people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United
ED: And yet these people who have been
programmed and as you say [are] in place and who are favorable to
an opening with the Soviet concept - these are the very people who
would be marked for extermination in this country?
YURI: Most of them, yes. Simply because
the psychological shock when they will see in [the] future
what the beautiful society of EQUALITY and social justice means
in practice, obviously they will revolt. They will be
very unhappy [and] frustrated people, and Marxist-Leninist regime
does not tolerate these people. Obviously they will join the [ranks]
of dissenters; dissidents. Unlike the present United States there
will be no place for dissent in future Marxist-Leninist America.
[Now] you can get popular like Daniel Elsburg and filthy rich like
Jane Fonda for being a dissident [and] for criticizing your Pentagon.
In [the] future these people will simply be [he makes a squishy
noise] squashed like cockroaches for criticizing the government.
Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful [and] noble
ideas of EQUALITY. This they don't understand and it will be the
greatest shock for them, of course.
The demoralization process in the United
States is basically completed already for the last 25 years.
Actually, it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches
such areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would
even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by
Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As
I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter
anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess
true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower
him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures.
...he will refuse to believe it.... That's the tragedy of the
situation of demoralization.
The next stage is destabilization....
It only takes 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation. This time what
matters is essentials; economy, foreign relations, [and] defense
systems. And you can see it quite clearly that in some... sensitive
areas such as defense and [the] economy, the influence of Marxist-Leninist
ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic. I could
never believe it 14 years ago when I landed in this part of the
world that the process will go that fast.
Most of the American politicians, media, and
educational system train another generation of people who think
they are living at the peacetime. False. United States is in a
state of war; undeclared, total war against the basic
principles and foundations of this system. And the initiator
of this war is not Comrade Andropov of course - it's the system.
However, ridiculous it may sound, [it is] the world Communist system,
or the world Communist conspiracy. Whether I scare some people
or not, I don't give a hoot. If you're not scared by now, nothing
can scare you.
ED: Okay, so what do we do? What is
your recommendation to the American people?
Well, the immediate thing that comes to mind is, of course,
there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in
the spirit of REAL patriotism, number one. Number two, to
explain [to] them the real danger of socialist, communist,
welfare state, Big Brother government.... The moment at least
part of [the] United States population is convinced that the
danger is real, they have to FORCE their government... to stop