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From Jeff Wallace: This article -- "EU moves closer to ban on violent video games" -- on the possible banning of violent games by the EU brings to mind a pattern of what would on the surface appear to be conflicting strategies by the World's Elite Managers (WEM). On one hand we have seen them do what seems almost everything in their power to promote a society that is shattered, broken, amoral, without any redeeming value and then we see them come along and "appear" to be trying to do something constructive in this direction. Of course overtime some of us have learned that what the WEM do really well is break something then provide the glue to put it all back together.
With regard to emerging societies born out of the last several decades, they have indeed done all possible to destroy any semblance of morality, decency, order, and most important to them....they have made great strides to destroy the family unit. It would appear the plan is to send societies spiraling out of control, then step in with globalists/big government solutions to put us all back together (on their oppressive secular anti Christian terms of course). Unfortunately, most people don't even realize yet they have been broken, and more sadly they will accept with glee the elitist solutions to fix whatever interrupts the next reality show. Its kind of interesting to note that as more and more folks become fixated on reality shows, actual reality becomes all the more a distant ....well reality.
From Reverend Stephen Wollett:I appreciate what you are attempting with your website, you obviously have very good intentions. I also would like to point out that the path to hell is paved with good intentions. I do not say this to criticize you in anyway, I really believe you are doing good work. Just a thought.
I am a Minister that was raised christian and have always had the sense to listen to the good words of the lord. I have studied the Bible as well as the works of many biblical scholars in my 37 years. I have also been a role player since I was eight years old.
I find you use of scripture to demonize a harmless game rather preposterous. Please show me actual quotes from the bible, please refer to version, and other sources that support your claims. I have scoured my library trying to find things that would support your arguments and have found not one. Perhaps if I take quotes out of the good book that refer to other things and superimpose them over rpg or fictional books. I just don't know.
I would point out to you that there is no sin in fantasy. If there was we would all be going to the lake of fire. There is sin in pride and in false testimony. Please research your answers carefully. Thank-you.
Yet, our Lord gives us plenty of warnings concerning corrupt fantasies encouraged by our imagination. In fact, He holds us accountable to what we put into our minds and entertain with our imagination. Please read these Scriptures: Fantasy & Imagination
Anonymous: Think about this, you idiots the omniverse is so big our feeble minds couldn't possibly comprehend it the outragious notion the we are the only life in the universe is well, outragious and another just because you don't understand something like magic or bionicle doesn,t make it evil and with that I send this message to you morons. i'm only ten years old I can tell all of that.
Anonymous: You are a bunch of losers and false prophets. You just spread a lot of lies.
From a Christian visitor: I recently became a born again Christian after living a pretty rebellious life (even though I was raised in the Lutheran church) and then turning from God when I was 17 (I am 20 now).
Like others who have commented on your site, I feel that it has effectively put into words what I felt in my heart after my conversion. For my entire life until now, I have been very much "into" science fiction and fantasy. I read the narnia books when I was 8 or 8, and The Hobbit by Tolkien when I was ... 12 or 13 or so, and got into Star Trek and then the collection of Dune books (one of my best old favourites). For quite some time I was obsessed with Star Trek. I later got into all kinds of nasty heavy metal music, and my tastes evolved from there over the years as I got into drinking and marijuana, etc... Probably my favourite of all of the pop culture stuff I used to be into was Star Wars, in a big way. It is most tempting to go back to.
I can testify to the fact that most, if not all, children do NOT differentiate between fact and fantasy. As a child when I read all sorts of fantasy and science fiction books, my faith would be hurt by some of the concepts presented inside of them. For example, if there are "alien civilizations" with their own religions and they visit and intermingle with humans, how can we be sure our God is the True God?
That sort of thing. This, combined with the commonly assumed "fact" of extraterrestrial intelligence existing in the galaxy (after all, it would be a "waste" if our planet was the only one in the enormous universe holding sentient beings), hurt my faith. The entire time I kept telling my parents "Of course I can distinguish between fact and fantasy..." and kept blowing them off until they gave in. Anyway, I just want to say I totally agree with you on the movies/books/fantasy stuff... it can consume one's interest and come between them and God.
Oftentimes they contain subtle messages and concepts that can cause people, especially young and impressionable people, to question their previously held assumptions. It certainly did for me.
One last thing. I especially agree with the articles on your site discussing occultic video games such as D&D and Everquest. I never played D&D myself but played a few computer games which were derived from the same sort of "swords and sorcery" material. Up until recently I was pretty much addicted to a game called World of Warcraft. I have not seen any references to it on your site, but I know it is similar to Everquest (even though I haven't played EQ). It is full of the same stuff; spellcasting, etc. The types of characters -- mages [spellcasters], warlocks, druids, the undead, etc. -- and addictive potential are similar (I used to play it for 10 hours on end sometimes). I don't know if it would add to your website but I know there are a great many people who play this game (WoW themselves claim 4 million worldwide), just to let you know.
Again, thank you for your website.
From Dale: I am 14. I have just started playing magic and i stumbled across your article and I would just like to make a few comments. I don't see how you can say things like that. My father is a Pastor and I have been raised in the church. I don't see how playing magic cards can hurt you. I can understand how it can affect young kids but there is a age limit of 13 and up. Also the quote you made "Sacrifice a white creature." was taken completely out of context.
I would also like to add that i know a pastor who used to play D and D dose that make him a Satin worshiper. One last thing I would like to comment on is "There have been many attempts to reinterpret God's word in order to twist what He told us about Himself and His ways in the Bible." The bible was written by man and has been changed in many ways. an example is the story where Jesus says "He who is without sin cast the first stone" is not in any of the original translations of the bible it was just added in. I hope you will respond to this.
Dale, the quote "Sacrifice a white creature" was the main message on a "Magic: the Gathering" card I have. I'm not sure what context would change the meaning of those words.
As for the amazing consistency of the Scriptures, the words of Jesus in John 8:7 -- "He who is without sin cast the first stone" -- were included in the earliest Greek documents. Remember, the New Testament was first written in Greek, not Aramaic. If my computer allowed me to use Greek letters, I would write it down for you.
Anonymous: JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU ALL THAT YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED IDIOTS WITHOUT A THOUGHT OF THEIR OWN TO SPEAK OF. LIFE IS TOO SHORT.........GROW UP NO ONE HAS THE ANSWER FOR HOW WE SHOULD SPEND OUR LIVES.................... IDIOTS
From Ashton (14 years old): I'm e-mailing you because while I was reading your page on Rpg games & popular Occultism, I came across one letter that had a cheat (hot coffee) for Grand Theft Auto, this page also contains names of games like Splatterhouse and Sociolotron. Young children reading this may become curious about these games and or cheats, (the internet is a powerful tool) would you want your children looking for these games?
P.S. I like that you post the e-mail of people that don't agree with you.
Good question, Ashton. The answer is NO. Thanks for the warning.
From a Christian parent: I was wondering if you could refer me to any helpful information about the game, Warhammer. Some of the leaders in my church are really into it. My pastor reads and watches Harry potter with his children and so I am wondering if this is more of the same. I do not see why this has become such a " norm" for the church. I find it frightening to see how massive the deception is today and how very seductive the enemy is. I find it hard to put into words why i am so violently opposed to Harry Potter, the underlying dangers and subtly changing paradigms among Christians are sometimes hard to put a finger on. But I definitely see some major shifts going. Thank you again for all your research....
I continue to be amazed at the “Christians” who love the occult world of Warhammer. And the same is true for Harry Potter. If we love God and His Word, we cannot love what He calls evil! If we have received His Spirit and follow Him, He will cause us to love what He loves and be repulsed by what He hates! So why do so many church leaders and members love the dark worlds of the occult? As you said, it’s seductive; Satan is a master-deceiver. Perhaps this verse gives us another clue:
"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:9
From an "anonymous teen": The popular video game Grand Theft Auto San Andreas is a video game that is rated "M" for mature audiences. i dont know how eight year olds got a hand in one of those games. the series is aimed for gamers 17 and older. the commercials were not aired on tv before 9:00pm.
the recent scandal known as "hot cofee" was about pornography in the game code for the pc version. i own the ps2 version and have not seen any on it. rumors have been going about the ps2 and xbox versions also containing this code. i assure you the only way to get to the code is to hack the game with a special code breaker known as game shark and code breaker. these components are meant and created for the purpose of hacking into the game to give the player extra stats or to "cheat". now if the the code is used for other purposes its not the gameshark or code breakers fault its the user's fault. like a gun it can be used for good (policemen) or it can be used for mayhem(goerge w. bush).
so this "hotcoffee" scandal is really tearing up my mind because i am a fan of all the rockstar games i own the original gta games for psx. they are less violent because of their poor graphics and game speed not alot of gore was useds in those. any ways the point is the games are aimed at higher ages and the "hot coffee" is an insult to all (mature audiencess) to play the game. i have to admit that the rockstar corporation if they did hide the game code are pervertive and really weird in the bad sorta way. so the truth is that they havent found the real culprit behind the code. but remember the one at fault is not rockstar but that twisted individual who wrote that sic code. oh yeah its a free country freedom of speech!!
and to mothers read the warning label. if you have a 8year old dont buy "T" "M" or "Ao." those have too strong content!!
From Gerald: I think the message that you are sending out about harmless entertainment is aweful. The only thing that makes it bad to people is that people like you have a twisted enough mind to turn anything that may appeal to a childs fantasy a bad thing. I you think about it, children will only want to look at books or movies, such as Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, more than ever because folks like you want to bring so much attention to it. If you would leave well enough alone there would be no problems.
I mean really, nobody is making you watch it and nobody is hurting anybody with it. All you want is attention. So stop crying and leave people alone. There is nothing wrong with spreading the gospel, but that is what church is for. And some people don't care what you have to say. I pity your ignorance and relize you probably weren't allowed to have much fun as a child and I'm sorry. But just because your life is dirt don't drag other people into your pathetic mind set. If you want to make a difference why don't you run off to Iraq, I'm sure they would love to have you there.
Actually, Gerald, I had more fun than you might even imagine growing up with the mountains and shores of Norway.
I agree that people are not forced to watch today's popular, occult entertainment. Nor is any forcing you read our articles. I hope it was your own choice. In the U.S., we both have still have freedom to speak what is on our hearts.
The main difference between your world and mine might be that I grew up learning to know REALITY and love God's creation, whereas you are learning to know FANTASY and love the mythical world of the occult. That may not matter to you right now, but I assure you, it makes a big difference in the spiritual realm. I would rather choose truth than myth any time. I pray you will see the light of truth and make the same choice one day.
Would you read today's entry on the Star Wars comments page, Gerald? Though most people might agree with you these days, not everyone follows the crowd.
From M. Diaz: I came across this article about a new computer game. Depravity is abounding. There are so many things to comment on in this article but I will try to keep my comments brief. This game is called Sociolotron. When players sign up for this game they are informed that rape is part of the game, and it can occur anytime, anywhere. Some are done in secret, some are done out in the open where every other player can see it.
The quotes from the players are quite telling. Different ones said they do it for the control over their victims, because they can, and because there is a "real psychological element of degradation and humiliation." Keep in mind this is supposedly a game.
Next we have the reactions of the victims:
"Surprisingly, however, some players find that, even though they identify with the emotions their characters feel, they don't always think being raped in the game is all that awful, especially after the first time. And that has every bit to do with the fact that they know they are participating in a world where, as Lagny says, players are encouraged to act as they wish. "
One of the victims made the decision that it was cool, but the article goes on to say that he also went on to figuring out ways to make sure it didn't happen again. If it was "cool", then why the need to make sure it doesn't happen again?
The reporter who wrote about this says "On the face of it, it looks immoral," but "assuming that everyone there is an adult and knows what they're doing, it's not that easy to mount a moral argument against it."
I could go on and on, but you get the point. I was thinking this could be a news link, but I understand if you decide not to post it. I don't want to put depravity into someone's mind.
We should all be concerned about the people who play these kinds of games. It is conditioning them to accept this, even though they deny it. The rest of us need to be vigilant about who is around us and where we are.
Here is the link: http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,63997-2,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1
Thank you for your warning!
From MAF: If only these people KNEW what things of this nature can really do to a person! But their sensibilities are deadened. The poison is fed with sugar, until they don't know they're being killed. Just a little bit of “dabbling” has messed with my spirit for years. It’s been a real battle!
From Stig-ove Madetoja, from Finland: I have more or less grown up with all forms of role playing games, heavy metal, trading card games mtg (Magic the Gathering) mostly. And as i read what you're writing in
your articles i find that they do tell very much the truth, although you have barely scratched the surface.
It goes much deeper, but you see this only from an American point of view. It is true that many of these games and forms of music come from usa but they have evolved and become much more terrifying here in europe. As an example can be mentioned the band "deicide" which is a most satanic band but is dwarfed by many of the
underground black metal bands of europe.
For instance here in Finland the 7 top sold singles are pagan or satanic inspired heavy metal as of last weeks sales. As a final remark, if you'd like to know some of this stuff from an european point of wiev if i can help id be glad to.
Best regards in Christ
From Alison: Tying in with the occult roleplaying and spell-casting online: This is a good example of why people, especially people with an occult background, ought to be exceptionally careful when researching occult topics. I was looking for info on the symbolism in tarot cards, wanting to see how people could be led to believe that cards could determine their future or reveal anything secret about themselves. I found a site that does computer-generated tarot readings as well as (presumably) computer-generated rune casting.
Now I've been somewhat fascinated by (and frightened) by tarot cards, and divination in general. I think the first deck I was exposed to was in 1986 at a new age holistic therapist's house, but my dad, who was searching for God most of his life and unfortunately got heavily into new age and the occult without knowing what was behind it, had a deck of tarot cards as well as the I Ching, channeled books and other new age paraphernalia. He had gone through several denominations of "Christianity" and many forms of occultism before he finally found Christ, but the night he died, and this really worries me, he was reading a book on "The Seth Material".
I'm probably fascinated to this day with the occult because I've grown up practically drowning in it. I've always wanted to get a real psychic reading--why, I don't know. I actually thought about making a career as a psychic because I used to be clairvoyant and clairaudient (and sometimes I worry that I still am). It really gets on my nerves to be thinking about a song, commercial, TV show, news item, etc, and then ten minutes or an hour later to have what I was thinking about come on TV or on the radio. The most recent example of this happening was today.
The dumbest thing I did in my "research": While I was looking through the tarot site (I didn't touch the rune site) I decided to try some of the card layouts and see if a computer-generated reading could possibly be "real" or accurate, and if the whole thing was a fake or if demons could relay accurate information through a computer. I don't know how many readings I did over the last few days, ending last night, but some of them were very accurate and some of them weren't. What probably frightened me into realizing that I was doing real divination with the site was the fact that certain cards kept coming up using different layouts and decks.
Obviously any kind of divination is unreliable, but the fact that those particular cards kept turning up made me realize I had been doing a lot of the evil practices forbidden in Deuteronomy 18 and that there really were demons behind that site. Now this is after I threw away a rock music album because it had tarot card imagery in the lyrics and artwork. One of the card layouts on the site is actually called "Talking to Ghosts". I stayed away from that one.
I ought to have stayed away from the entire site. I rationalized that because it was a computer-generated script and not done by a human "reader" that it might not be dangerous. Am I making this up or are these "online divination" sites just as evil and sinful as getting a reading from a human medium? Is online divination the "witch of Endor" for the computer age? Last night I asked God to forgive me for practicing divination and I was tempted today to go back to the site and do more readings, but I guess He put enough sense into me to keep me away from it. The facts that there was no human medium, that I did it out of curiosity and didn't believe the cards doesn't mean that there aren't real demons behind the site.
The enemy behind the scenes is obviously using the the blend of computers, fantasy and occult rituals to draw many into his dark grasp. From what I have heard and read, digital occultism is every bit as dangerous, seductive and addictive as any other form of occult connection -- probably even more dangerous.
Like porn addicts, those who crave occult thrills can get all -- and more -- than they can handle IN SECRET. Confident that no one watches, the closet occultist can try anything. Of course, our government can watch all our moves -- and so does our Lord. And there is high price to pay in the end.
I am so glad God has opened your eyes, Alison, and brought you to Himself. I thank you for sharing your battle with us. You help us understand the nature of the battle, and you show the greatness of our God who has set you free and Who enables you to rely on His strength and guidance from day to day.
From John: Hey, I'm a Christian and I'm 11. However I don't believe everything I see. I could distinguish between reality and fantasy since I was 4 and I believe anyone who is over 6 should be able to.
John, while your mind may know the difference, your feelings still react to the story.
Stories and myths (like Yugi, D&D and Harry Potter) are super popular because fans can easily identify with the characters in the story. People love science fiction, myth and fantasy because fans imagine themselves as part of the particular occult world. And when you enter into the story -- either in actual life on in your imagination -- you begin to embrace the beliefs and values of that world.
Research has shown over and over how effective fantasy and myths are in changing beliefs and values. Please read Role-Playing Games & Popular Occultism and Harry Potter and Dungeons & Dragons
From Ms Amre: Please forgive my tone, but I feel strongly, given the state of the world at present, that we should be spreading a little more love and less fear.
I grew up with too many people who sought to raise their children with the fear of God. Those children where not allowed to watch certain television shows such as Batman and Robin or Dark Shadows because of the evil influence.
I watched as adolescence approached and these same obedient, God-fearing, teen-agers began discovering the world. They sadly where totally unprepared and went wild. When children are taught that life is black and white they can be lost in all the shades of gray forever.
Love, kindness, temperance, tolerance and personal responsibility are lessons that take a lifetime to learn and do not magically appear at the age of maturity like the flick of a switch.
I have never been able to forget that I am not the one who is good enough to throw that first stone. No one ever seems to preach that and I can't but help but wonder why? I also can't but help wonder why the lesson of Love Thy Neighbor is so often forgotten. I don't remember that one coming with disclaimers.
I am sorry you don't see the love behind the warnings we post. But please remember that God's command to "Love your neighbors as yourself" includes sharing with others what God has shown and given you. I would want others to tell me if they see dangers ahead.
Because I care about children, I cannot stop writing about the things that are likely to confuse their understanding of God, dull their love for Him or immunize them against ever following the Shepherd. See What it means to be a Christian
From Ann Marie Omerza: What a load of ___. It is people like you that take innocent children's games and make them something evil. I try to protect my child from small minded, bigoted, hate-mongers. It sounds like you fit right in. It's my bet that you would fit into the category of folks that believe it's just dandy to whip your child to get the fear of God into them and have no problem making the poor things kneel for hours to atone for the sin of playing a harmless child's game, which is akin to child abuse.
Leave the rest of the world alone. Stop spreading hate and fear in the name of God. That is why we are at war all of over the world. You must be making God weep.
Dear Ann Marie, you chose to come to our website and to write us. We didn't force you to come, nor do we impose our views on you or anyone else. Visitors are free to read or reject our messages. But because we love people and care about children, we freely share the truths and encouragement that bring peace and safety.
From Bev: I read your article on the occult and role play games. My son and his friends have been playing these for years. They play Dungeon and Dragon and with Magic cards. I cannot believe that they don’t know that these are all make believe. I think they are smarter than that. I take him to church with us every Sunday and he is Christian. Should I make him stop these games? He is 17.
Genesis 8:21, and Harry Potter and Dungeons & Dragons
Bev, I am praying with you that God show you what to do. You may want to read Peter's response on this page: "Ask Peter" - Find Biblical answers to questions about occult
It doesn't matter much whether or not they know that it is fantasy. Fantasy that captivates the imagination and evoke strong feelings is usually far more effective in changing beliefs and values than ordinary reality. The main problem is that today's popular fantasies prompt children to love the occult, to feel comfortable with its teachings, to let the message occupy their thoughts -- and to crave more and more of its thrills. That's one of the reason God warned us about the power of the imagination long ago. See Thoughts & Imagination
The Old Testament refers to the imagination as "vain" or "futile", but Jesus gives us stronger warning. Even thinking or imagining a sin (be it murder or promiscuity or anything that violates God's standards for right and wrong) is as bad as doing it. Virtual experience or simulations -- like actual experiences -- cause us to love sin, justify our cravings and rationalize away the truths of God that conflict with the new fascination.
From Pompoesus: Hail S___ B___. Your "articles" concerning satanism are pitiful. Little do you know, so little. You claim that your god teaches you love and compassion. But you are the most intolerant lot of all.
We, of the Church of Satan, we don't care about you. Which also means we don't hate you. But you?
I don’t hate you either, Pompoesus.
Would you like me to post your letter? We like to show the different opinions that make up today's culture. That’s fair, isn’t it? Do you post Christian comments on your Church of Satan website?
First of all, thank you for the quick answer. Thank you.
If you'd like to post my letter, go ahead, it's okay.
Thanks again for your tolerance. I'm impressed, really.
Thank you, Pompoesus. :)
From TJ: hi i red the page on the dangers of role playing games and i see where your coming from. my name is t j i cant tell you my last name cus im only 13 so any way, parents need to see that this pronounced PO-KA-MON and yu gi oh and maguc the gathering and lord of the rings and all those other games ? dont you think that those are what keep kids off drugs and bad things, such ans guns and knifes?
No, I don't think so, TJ. Role-playing simulate of all kinds of violent activities and occult practices. And they build a lust for more and more intense thrills. While they keep a person in front of the computer for hours (where they are confined to simulated rather than real violence), they desensitize the mind to real violence.
i was only bout 10 when i saw these things and beleive me they were amazing to me but at a childs point-of-vew it helps them grow and expand there emajination. think of it. the loard of the rings, even barny was created in someones head , and that someone had a dream to make kids dream and dream they did.
I do agree with the things you said about god, in fact im a crishtan (sorry if missspelled), and i learned yhat there are meny paths a lil kid can take, think of all the terrable things a kid will think is "cool"
i knew a boy in 7th grade that said he was ... a wiccan and he was so cool about. but i know more about that religion that he did.. (not that i beleive in it. to clear anything) and theres the goth the pegan and so many more. im getting off track. anyway, a child has many limatations to there growth and true god sets many of those right.
all im saying to all teachers and parents. let the enabidable happen if it happens, it happens, and if not your in major luck. to the teachers, you must under stand we comunicate in ways that would make you go dizzy. look at a kid woth his favorit game or card and tell me hes not smiling. now when it comes to games,
i recently found out that games like "half life" are not allowed to kids under 18 in sertan states. well i understand there concern, i am tj 13 of south carolina!, i am a gamer! and most of all i am the guy who will care befor fight but when the end comes and the cards are gone, ill be redy with friends across the nation. if you ever wish to talk with me more go to [a website].... ill be there and so will the "youth of the nation" were all children and when you were a kid didnt you like toys and games? thats where were coming from.
If you haven't read Role-Playing Games & Popular Occultism, please read it, TJ. In fact, I suggest you read it a couple of times. But pray first that God help you to understand the occult dangers of the most popular RPGs. You cannot love both God and occult games. As Jesus said, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other." Matthew 6:24
If you crave the occult thrills of RPGs, you will justify an activity that violates all God's safe boundaries. In the end, you will turn Romans 12:9 upside down. See
I read your article on the occult and role play games. My son and his friends
have been playing these for years. They play Dungeon and Dragon and with Magic
cards. I cannot believe that they don’t know that these are all make believe. I
think they are smarter than that. I take him to church with us every Sunday and
he is Christian. Should I make him stop these games? He is 17.
From Katie: (The first part of her letter is onThe Matrix page) Role playing games are not "evil" or "occult" or anything like that. I play Magic: the Gathering. In fact, I love it. But it's not because it gives me power. It's because of the strategy. You could just as well say chess, checkers, Monopoly, Risk or other games are occult and evil. It's never the power that leads people to play, it's the fun of the game. And if fun is evil, then the religion itself is flawed.
No Katie, fun isn't evil. But fun does have a way of shifting our minds from logical thinking to emotional responses. That's fine in many situations. But when your mind relaxes, its far more open to receive and remember images and suggestions which may be evil.
I also used to role play with a group of friends. I never told myself, "I'm going to go after orcs and kill people with a mace." The number one rule of role playing is: "Role playing is always second to real life." The second rule is: "If you role play to escape life, you shouldn't be role playing."
Please read the article mentioned at the top of the page: Role-Playing Games & Popular Occultism.
"Peter," who helped us with the article, Role-Playing Games & Popular Occultism, wrote the following response to a woman who sought more information. If some of you want specific information, you may write him at Earl email@example.com.
In your letter you state that you have documentation that disciples of "ascended masters" like Alice Bailey's "DK" are taught that the Jews are tools of the Dark Force and totally unsuitable for entry into the New Age. You question whether occultists are indoctrinated in this view.
Clarification of Dark Force: in occult precept power is power. Any power or force which opposes your own power is dark power. So, at that point, if you are an occultist, any power or force that opposes you is dark. It goes without saying then that the power/force of Adonai would be viewed by an occultist as dark force. Anyone who stands for God, whether Jew or Christian, possesses a force that is in opposition to any occultist.
Here's the hard reality: For many years I studied and practiced kabalistic magick that was authored by Soloman, King of Israel. The attitude of the occult world is that the Jewish contribution to "power" ended with Solomon. Therefore, Jews after Solomon were
irrelevant. They were not regarded as the enemy. They were regarded as nothing... expendable.
There ARE today Jewish kabalistic rabbis. They ARE part of the New Age. I know that there are. Jews are only viewed as the enemy if they stand for Adonai/Yahweh, the one true God. Only in this way are Jews tools for the dark force.
I must say that you are direly misinformed about
computer games. First of all, computer games are meant for entertainment
purposes only. If it goes beyond entertainment, then it is going too far. I have
some questions about how far you can go before it becomes too entertaining, but
that isn't the issure here. The issue is how you can claim that video games are
full of blasphemey.
Everybody knows that the Columbine kids played Quake, but that doesn't prove that it made them more violent. Take a popular game called Starcraft. In this game, you can command 3 species. 2 species are the product of genetic experiments, and the third is humans. One of the races, the Protoss worships their creators as gods. THey don't know that the alien race, the Xel'Naga are watching over them and protecting them. THerefore this is like god and us. He is out there, and we can't see him. Can you call this blasphemy if a computer game just reinforces what we learn about in Sunday School? If you can then this is very sad.
I didn't think I used the word blasphemy, but what you describe might well be blasphemy. If you think you can learn about the true God by playing a game that features counterfeit gods, you will be deceived. Your understanding of God would be distorted and your faith would be in an illusion rather than the reality God revealed in His Word.
ALso, if you consider this blasphemey, then you probably will consider the makers of this game the servents of the devil.
However, I think that the people who make this game are just trying to make people have fun, and nobody is going to stop in their mission to do what they are making, partly because they like it, and also because they are being paid.
Role-Playing Games in Forbidden Realms. It would answer more of your questions.
Please read my new article:
Anonymous: you are a fool card games do not make us do things it helps us think if we were on the streets and doing drugs what would you say then huh that the trees made us do it the paper takes are mind and rules are thoughts IM not trying to be mean or to make you mad just tell you that card games help kids stay off drugs and off the streets OK so do not say something like card games are bad for kids and stuff just be happy that were not all doing missed up stuff like killing people.
Jedidiah A. Scott:
First of all, I would like to state that I am a christian, and was raised in a
christian household. I have gone to a charismatic church( like a church of God)
for almost seven years. I am 18 years old and I am now going to college.
You stated "Many argue that it's all innocent fun and fantasy" concerning Yu-Gi-Oh, which I agree with, and any other game that are currently out like Yu-Gi-Oh (Pokemon). I own many role playing games, such as the whole Final Fantasy series, Grandia series, Breath of Fire series, Wild Arms series, etc..., yet I still give my ten percent tithe every Sunday and put back ten percent for my own personal savings like the bible has instructed us to do. I have played Dungeons and Dragons since I was ten and I have not been overwhelm with an evil spirit or whatever it is you believe happens when one plays these games.
[Galatians 2:20] He wants friends and followers who share His concerns, think His thoughts (we find them in the Bible), demonstrate His character, love what He loves and hates what He hates. It means freedom from bondage to the corrupting influences in the world, not freedom to love evil and immerse your mind and imagination in the world of the occult. Genesis 8:21You cannot follow our holy God and also yield your mind and imagination to the unholy realm of darkness.
Tithing and other "good works" don't make you a Christians or build your relationship with Jesus Christ. What counts is what He accomplished on the cross and in a believer's heart.
It is stated in the bible, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.
[see Romans 6:6-14]-- free from bondage to our lusts and no longer conformed to the old ways of the world. As Paul told the Ephesian church:
Yes, Jedidiah. That's why we all need Christ. We all must come to the cross, confess our need, accept His forgiveness and resurrection life, then walk with Him in "newness of life"
"...you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness."
Please read the rest of that passage -- and chapter 5 in your Bible. Then apply that to your next paragraph as well. It's not a matter of what is secular or not. God wants us to follow Him and do His will wherever we are - whether in church or in a secular setting.
This is means that there is no sin greater than another for everyone sins. So,
when you judge others for playing said games, you can be looked at as
hypocritically for the sins you commit are equal to the sins of a serial killer
in the eyes of the lord. In my honest opinion playing such games are nothing
more than secular activities. The definition of secular is not having any
connection with religion. We all have secular activities. Watching the five
o'clock news is considered to be secular. Even Christ had moments where he
engaged in secular activities. Which is fine, nowhere in the bible does it say
that secular activities are "evil". The first commandment states "Thou shall
have no other God's before me.", but as long as you do not treat any secular
activity has a higher priority than God, one has not sinned.
It is true that "some" role playing games have witches and mages. I happen to know the difference between what is reality and what is fantasy. Witchcraft, does not work. The bible gives us proof of that. King Saul had a witch raise the spirit of Samuel, but when Samuel's spirit arose from the dead she was just as surprised, if not more, as Saul.
How could the emotional reaction of a witch-medium in the Bible be "proof" that witchcraft doesn't work, Jedidiah? If her reaction could prove proved anything, it would show the opposite.
She was surprised because she knew the [demonic] spirits were real. Usually they responded to her occult invocation rituals -- not because she controlled them, but because they were using her. During this particular seance, she was shocked by the appearance of the Samuel who had led the Israelites for many decades -- and, especially, by the realization that the disguised man in front of her was King Saul who had forbidden witchcraft in the land.
Fantasy is its most general definition is an escape from reality.
This means that reading any fictional book is escaping from reality. The Left
Behind series can be considered a fantasy. Knowing what is fantasy and what is
reality is the true problem at hand. When we think of fantasy, and the creatures
that are most associated with fantasy, the picture of a dragon comes to mind.
Creatures fail to realize that a description of what we percieve to be a dragon
is in the bible.
-Leviathan, Job 41:1-34 "Can you draw out Leviathan with a fishhook? Or press down his tongue with a cord? Can you put a rope in his nose? Or pierce his jaw with a hook?... -A fire breathing, reptilic, large creature. Sounds familiar, does it not?
Look up the word "dragon" in a Bible concordance, Jedidiah. You would see a different picture. Here is one:
"So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Now, to the issue on anime. Someone replied that they have read anime "is
defined as:- Abnormality. Sexual perversion". To make it more clear to those out
there, that is actually Hentei. Most anime is nowhere near the pornographic
scale that Hentei is on. Anime is generally nothing more than a fantasy or
science fiction cartoon. Anime, is like our American movies just animated. There
are different maturity levels to anime like there is to our movies. Almost all
anime is non-pornographic and has very little to no curse words. There are
exceptions like there is to our cultural movies and T.V. shows. Hentei would be
like our Pornography in America. It is there, but that does not mean everyone
In closing, I wish only to say that, it is easy for one to judge something that does not pertain to them, but if that same persons faults were opened up thay would be hesitant to let the salt hit the wound. I think it is great that your are doing (in this I mean making sure that parents learn to become more active in their childrens life), but one must always remember that Jesus was amung the sinners more than he was amung the rightious at heart (or thought they were, rather).
1 Timothy 1:15-20
That's true, but Jesus saved those humble sinners who recognized their need (in contrast to the arrogant ones who ignored or justified their sin) in order to set them free and turn their lives around. To walk in their "new life", they put aside the former lusts and habits and became living demonstrations of the precious and holy life of Jesus Himself -- that God might be glorified through them. Listen to Paul's words:
"Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever.
"This charge I commit to you, son Timothy.... wage the good warfare, having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck...."
Second letter from J: Since you asked me so nicely, I will tell you about the "evolutionanary force". The evolutionary force is not an entity unto itself, more like an instinct in animals to survive and reproduce. In humans, this force also includes the desire to be happy, a desire singular to humans and a few other animals, but the desire to be happy should not be confused with the ability to be happy in itself. Domesticated animals have more of this desire than normal animals, suggesting something about human nature and how it may rub off on animals that belong to humans.
I have taken three years of philosophy and am hoping to take a course in psycology in order to further understand the human consiousness. Humans, as far as I know, are the only animals that will endanger the normal animal instincts of survival to make themselves happy (through drugs and the like).
As far as I can see, however, you are paranoid about mostly everything in our society, which I have not noticed in most of the Christians I know (my father is a priest). Although I myself am slightly paranoid, it is nothing compared to your fear of the "occult".
I don't fear the occult, J. My God is far greater than the forces of darkness. But I have a sober realization that the occult can truly harm our children, move their frame of reference from reality to an occult fantasy world, produce mental and moral confusion and drive them toward severe spiritual depression, bondage and torment. I have seen this happen to some people who had drifted away from Christianity. Three of them were lifted out of their suicidal despair when they were freed from these forces by the mercy and power of Jesus Christ.
I became an atheist for philisophical reasons, actually before I started playing pokemon or Final Fantasy. I had already played magic for several years, and this had no effect on me, exept it was one of the few things I found entertaining before about two years ago. I was heavily bullied in school from third grade to sixth grade, and ended up moving back a grade, to my normal age group (I skipped a grade in school). I was not bullied because of any religous or ethnic reason, but merely as the person in that class who was bullied (there always is one).
I am worried that the children of these paranoid people will become the pariahs [outcasts, despised] of the class.
Are you saying that your peers are so hostile toward Biblical Christians that they would despise, punish and persecute those who would rather follow God than conform to the crowd?
After a few years of being bullied as a "weak" person, I discovered skeptic philosphy, which firmly made me an atheist (I always have been a very logical person, I am a freshman in an advanced math course). I went through a depressed phase of about two or three months. I jokingly considered suicide, but not for any real reason, and at the times I seriously considered it, games such as Magic and Final Fantasy were anchors in reality.
During the depressed phase, a lot of my preferences changed: I started listening to heavy metal music, such as System of a Down instead of the older rock(such as the Beatles) that I had listened to previously. Now I am a very
cynical and sarcastic person, which are the sides of humor I enjoy. I play Magic about once a week at a tournament. I also have taught my mother and father how to play Magic, as they were the only people I could play when I was starting out. Please post this e-mail to your board.
I can't stand you fundamentalists. I am a 14
year old atheist. The fact that you believe anything with any mention of magic
as even being slightly beneficial is evil, is absolutely ridiculous. There are
too types of problems with religion. People who think about it too much: such as
And people who don't think about it enough: such as you.
You take the rules of a book that is grossly outdated in this day and age, and force things that have no harm in them on people as "evil". I am not anti-Christian, I just think people should be rational about religion, not just take everything exactly as it is told to them. By doing this, you are becoming mindless zombies, with no free will. I know most Christians (such as my family) that are perfectly logical, but you fundies are the most illogical people on the planet.
The Bible offers some good suggestions-such as being kind, not killing, not stealing etc. But in every religion there are a few people who misinterperet it and see it fixed as The only way. First of all, in one article you said there was a boy who was having nightmares, but got rid of them when he gave up pokemon. The cause of the nightmares may be his parents calling them "evil" and "occult", and once that 'negative" influence was gone he returned to normal.
That was not the cause, J. I talked with the mother and she explained the real reason.
I also play Magic: the Gathering, and the idea that it is evil is ridiculous. Most people outside the game understand if differently than those who play it. You only feel like dueling wizards for the first few games, and experienced players rarely care what cards are, as oppossed to what they do. Thus, only a new player would receive any of these "satanic" urges, and only for a few weeks.
For your comments on people being psychic are absolutely ridiculous. People desire power. It has been proved through history. People all have a natural desire to be superior, and this is just a phase.
Yes, that's true. Our human nature (or "sinful" nature) will have its way unless the life of Jesus Christ changes our hearts and will. When we follow Him, it's easily to admit that we have no power in ourselves. For we know that He is always there to provide the strength and love needed for each day's challenges.
As for dragons being symbols of evil, that may be so, but that is why they are so entertaining. Dragons, in my opinion, don't exist, so you shouldn't be concerned about them, all though you seem very concerned with things that don't exist. Video games don't influence people. Take pacman (another creation of the devil. All will burn who play it.). If pacman influenced people, they would be running around in dark rooms eating candy and listening to repetetive music.
You can't hide your kids from the occult. It is part of our culture now. In order to remove a child from it you would need to remove that child from social life entirely.
Yet, if we train our children to trust God and bring them to Him in prayer, He will show us how best to guard their minds from the deceptions that are all around us. Raising Christian children in a pagan society is nothing new to Him. He has protected His own through the centuries -- and He continuous to be their Shepherd today. When we don't know what to do, we can count on Him.
I know that by now Pokemon is dead, but you have to see that just because you believe in something, that doesn't make anything that has a shred of defiance for that belief evil. I watched the Neon Genesis Evangelion series, and it's fiction! Don't you people understand the concept of fiction? You believe that the devil could lie anywhere, so why not in your own teachings?
The Bible was written by humans who could have been influenced by the devil. I don't say I believe in the devil though. The Bible has been proven wrong before. In one psalm it says the earth does not move, but we discovered the earth did move! So the Bible might be wrong in some other things.
Are you referring to Ps 104:5? Speaking to God about 3000 years ago, the psalmist said, "You who laid the foundations of the earth, so that it should not be moved forever." He is referring -- not to the earth's daily and annual rotations -- but to the fact that God had established it in permanent path in space. It would not drift out of that path.
Almost a thousand years earlier (between 2200 and 1900 BC), Job showed that he knew understood things about the earth that scientists only discovered in more recent history: "He hangs the earth on nothing," said Job. "He binds up the water in His thick clouds, yet the clouds are not broken under it." (Job 26:7-8) Is that amazing or not?
The Bible is not wrong in anything. We may misunderstand or misinterpret it because we don't know it well enough to understand the context. When we study the whole Bible, it all makes sense.
My beliefs are that all life is shaped by an "evolutionary force" which makes all life try to find the best way to survive. In my beliefs, it states that religion is a part of evolution meant to make people work as a community. But when people discovered opposing religions, it ended up dividing them instead. Therefore, religion is outdated in this day and age.
Could you tell me more about your "evolutionary force"? Do you believe it has a mind or will? Is it simply energy or does it also have intelligence?
Oh....one more "satanic" thing for you to look for, the video
game "Final Fantasy". Judging by the title, you won't let your children play it
anyway. It is a very popular series of role-playing games (not like dungeons and
dragons) for the playstation and playstation2 game consoles. There are 11
instalments in the series, which are not releted, and an 12th one, which will be
online like evrquest coming out soon. The "blasphemous" things you can do in
this game include:
1. Stealing things from people and monsters.
2. Summoning spirits, such as the Goddes Shiva, Demons Ifrit and Diablos, Thunder God Ramuh, Leviathan, a gnome known as Carbuncle,a Dragon called Bahamut, and other entities such as Eden, Pandemona, and Quetzalcoatl.
3. In Final Fantasy 10, there is a false religion praying to the false god Yevon, who brings ruin to the land of Spira in the form of the monster Sin.
Final Fantasy Tactics, the eigth instalment was practically atheistic with the quotes: "don't blame me, blame yourslef or God." And "God is an image created out of man's insecurities." The other installments (save 10) do not mention a god of any sort.
I think that your children will be beaten up in school for being unable to play with their friends in these "evil" games. Your children are very deprived if they have no imagination. Imagination is the start of religion, after all. You are making your children into worshipping machines, not people. I have nothing against religious people, but you give all Christians a bad name.
Please post this to your board. You love the belief that Christians are persecuted around the world, don't you, even though you do just as much persecuting yourselves.
No, I am very sad that my Christian brothers and sisters are tortured and killed for their faith. But I'm not surprised. Jesus said, "If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you... for they do not know Him who sent me." John 15:20-21
Anonymous: How can you say that such a thing is against Christianity? I myself am not a fan of Harry Potter, but shunning something like that shows little maturity. Have you no open mind? Dungeons and Dragons is just like any other game. Let's compare it to the boardgame Clue. In Clue, people die all over the place and you use your imagination to solve who did it. Ok, I don't see this going anywhere. Basically, I'm saying that you don't have your priorities straight.
Are you suggesting that my priority ought to be Harry Potter and D&D rather than the Bible and my Lord?
As for that "open mind," please keep in mind that while you are open toward occult-based entertainment, you seem very closed toward Christianity. If you would spend as much time exploring the Bible as I have exploring your favorite activities, you might open your mind a bit to the God I love. Please see What it means to be a Christian
From Shawn: I like games especially business simulators and they have a new game called Capitalism II its where you buy a a farm and have cows and create beef etc... The game is a management type game.. I saw this being reviewed by _____ but in the game the person had reviewed the game by actually playing it and showing screenshots. The reviewer took on game name 'Satan Industries' and I was upset at this, that even a good game that doesn't have any thing to do with evil has to be subjected to this. So I wrote to them.
Here is the letter and their answer: "Evil Begets Evil. I was a little let down by the 'Satan Industries' portion of the screenshots and personal choice in names. If you wanted to play a bad guy, couldn't you name it Capone or something like that. Not every customer or gamer is a satanist or someone that likes to see that name glorified. Thank you."
Here is their letter to me: "Oh. Well isn't that just a thing. I didn't even see that before. For your pleasure and edification, we've flogged Jason and told him not to make any more deals with "you know who". That and we threw him into the pool of holy water we have collecting on the bathroom floor. Dan"
This is really typical of how the industry is: what started out with pong has progressed to a industry that does things that are against God. Jason, the one that was using that name in the game was the Editor in Chief of the magazine. So when the top person is doing it what hope is there to point out what is wrong? Whether it's television or computer games or video games, I think its really a downward spiral. I am finding myself going back to old games or tv shows not effected by this spiral.
I agree, Shawn. I am glad you wrote to them. They may not listen now, but perhaps they will remember your words later. In any case, God calls us to speak the truth in love, whether people listen or not. That's what He told his Old Testament prophets to do. For an example, read Ezekiel 3:17-21, 27
My main reason is that no one seems to be demanding good games. Even the magazines and reviewers are praising the evil games and then making the few good games that are bad as well.
Well i was reading that you updated the computer area and this made me think of what happens when a little voice stands up against this industry. They probably make fun of the little guy.
They may do that, Shawn. But that's okay. God warned us that those who truly follow Him won't be popular in the world. The world out there doesn't like His standards for good and evil. Like the people in the Old Testament, "they have ears but cannot hear... eyes, but cannot see." Therefore, they can't understand how great it is to know the God of the universe.
Instead they keep on looking for more thrills to sell to the public, not realizing how quickly the thrills become boring as well as addictive. There is no end to the human craving for ever more shocking thrills once a person moves beyond the traditional moral and ethical boundaries.
From Chip Burns: I am 18 years old. i am a christian of the baptist demonination. i read your webpage on the dangers of role playing games. i play both magic:the gathering and pokemon role playing game. i personally love playing the games and i feel it has no influence on my decisions/judgement.
What is the basis for your "decisions/judgment," Chip -- your feelings or God's Word? The movies are certain to affect your feelings. So, if your feelings drive your judgment you will flow right along with today's "feel-good" occultism.
i believe that magic and pokemon are not evil or what have you believe. i play both of the role playing games for fun. the pokemon role playing game does influence children to buy more cards and to get the rare card. but you should be looking at how the parents raise the child. it is the parents responsibility to teach their children right from wrong. failing to do so could result in a child taking the magic or pokemon seriously.
That's what I encourage by suggesting that parents focus on God's values and guard their children against images and suggestions that will entice them to consider "other gods" and spiritual forces. Today, as throughout history, adults as well as children have tended to blend God's truths with popular pagan ideas. When that happens, the "truth" they trust is no longer God's Truth.
now as for my belief of magic, i believe that young children
should not be playing the game because it is too complicated for them to
play. pokemon is very easy to play as ive even seen grown adults around
40+ years old playing the game with their children. parents like that
spend time with their children playing pokemon, or any other game with their
children should be commended. more parents need to be involved and
understand the true nature of pokemon or magic. i would be glad to discuss this further with you if you desire.
I want to make sure I have this straight. You believe that
people who perform magick are using demonic powers. You also believe that these powers are
not inherent in the person but rather supplied by demonic entities (although the person
maybe deluded into thinking that they are the source of the magickal effect). You believe
in the power of prayer to effect change (heal, bless etc. etc.) but this power is not
inherent in the individual but comes through the Spirit of God from Jesus.
So, in essence, the only difference between magick and prayer is the source of power. Any metaphysical effect that is not sought from Jesus through the Holy Spirit is, defacto, of Satanic origin. Have I got that right? Because I think a lot of your readers are a bit confused over this issue.
Thanks for asking that question, Tristan. The first paragraph is basically right. But I can't agree with your conclusion in the first sentence in the second paragraph. There are major differences between God's power and occult powers or forces.
Second letter from Tristan: I would be fascinated to read the differences that you perceive as, I am sure would your readers. Keeping in mind that when you declare these differences you are assuming a very broad range of belief under occult powers. Everything from Wicca to Chinese energy work (Tai Chi, Ching Gung, Ching I), from the Temple of Set to some of the New Age beliefs.
I don't want to give just a brief and simple answer, Tristan, for such an answer could mislead people into thinking that the God we love is heartless and exclusive. He is not! But the real answer can only be understood in light of His love and care for His people around the world. I will try to explain more later.
Meanwhile, remember that our God understands our needs and cares about people trapped in spiritual bondage and broken lives. After all, He made us. Because He wants to give us the very best, He gave His life -- and shows us the truths that can free us from the worlds wide assortment of counterfeit gods and imitation truths.
Long ago, He warned His beloved nation, "My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters, and hewn themselves cisterns—broken cisterns that can hold no water." Jeremiah 2:13
Yes, but it refers to far more than the "disposition of the soul." By Jeremiah's time, God had proven His love for His people by meeting all kinds of needs, physical as well as emotional and spiritual. During Israel's forty years in the wilderness under Moses leadership, God provided food, water, shelter and everything else needed by over 2 million people. In the centuries that followed, He did miracle after miracle to prove His love and bring victory and peace to kings who chose to put their faith in Him rather than make alliances with Egypt, Syria or other powerful nations.
One of the problems then, as now, is that leaders tend to seek practical human help rather than turn to God. I suppose part of the reason is that when we succeed (even with God's help), we tend to give more credit to ourselves than to God. In the next battle, we may rely less on God and more on our own clever strategies. At least that's what happened to the kings of Israel and Judah, even to "good" rulers.
However, my query is about the difference between magick and prayer in this world (not the afterlife). From what you've said, so far, Jesus sends the power of prayer to Christians through the Holy Spirit and Satan sends the power of all other mystic practices through demons to everyone else. Different entities, essentially the same *structure*. Have I got that right?
No, the structure -- if I understand correctly what you mean by that word (perhaps you could define it) -- is also different. See The Nature and Tactics of Satan. It's not easy to explain it, since God's ways are not readily understood apart from the wisdom of the Holy Spirit. We are dealing with something that is far bigger that our human experience and understanding. So I need to pray and seek God's answer to your question. Meanwhile, please read about Tracy in the first section of Chapter 4 in A Twist of Faith. Then consider these Scriptures.
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God....For 'who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?' But we have the mind of Christ." 1 Corinthians 2:9-10, 16
Why can we be so confident? Because God tells us in Galatians 2:20 and elsewhere that He lives in us! Until I was 30 years old, I was far to shy and introverted to even consider writing or speaking. But when God changed my heart and filled me with His life, He showed me that with Him, "nothing is impossible" -- as long as it is according to His will.
From Tristan (4th letter): I'm
still not certain we are talking about the same thing so I will try to use a
metaphor to get my point across. Imagine, if you will, two circuits. Both
circuits consist of a power source, wire and a lightbulb. The structure of the
circuits is essentially the same (power source - wire - lightbulb).
Now one might argue that they are not the same because one circuit has a more powerful power supply, or a more reliable power supply, or even a variable power supply. You also might argue that one circuit has well insulated silver wires, in comparison with the other circuit which has poorly insulated nickel wires. You may even be able to argue that the lightbulbs themselves are different or even that one power source is merely a subset of the other greater power source. But all that aside, the basic structure is the same (power source - wire - lightbulb).
Now, in case it is not painfully obvious, God or Satan is the power source, the Holy spirit or demons are the wiring and humans are the lightbulb. Is my structural metaphor accurate as regards the similarity of the "structure" of magick and prayer? If not can you elucidate me (and your readers) on the differences? Once again, structurally, not qualitatively.
That's what I thought you meant by "structure," Tristan. And, no, prayer and magic -- or rather, God's power and Satan's power -- are neither parallel nor comparable. God created all things and is the source of all power. He alone is the world's power source -- whether people acknowledge His might or not. His power is at work in the world accomplishing His will and ultimate purposes whether we pray or not. His "structure" includes
His omniscience -- complete knowledge of all people, all history, all things past, present and future (which Satan does not share).
His delegated power and authority (delegated to angels, even a fallen angel such as Satan)
His legal system (justice, rewards and punishment, grace and mercy)
His promises which must be fulfilled
His protection and personal guidance and care for His people (here our prayers are especially significant)
His sovereign power and oversight, which makes even Satan accountable to our Lord and King for all the trouble he causes in the physical and spiritual world. In other words, Satan cannot touch or torment those who are in God's care without God's permission. See Job 1:1-12 and 2:1-7.
This section on Job shows that God's purpose is often hidden to the people it affects. Job had no idea that God would use him to demonstrate persevering faith in excruciating circumstances, but God saw in Job's heart what it takes to triumph. So the sovereign God of the universe allowed Satan to torment His servant for a season. The key verse is Job 1:9-10: "So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side?"
God, who sees our hearts and knows all plans, warned His people to guard against the power to do evil which Satan had been delegated: "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith...." 1 Peter 5:8
Keep in mind, God hasn't chosen to explain to us all that He knows and does. We don't have an absolute understanding of what God is doing behind the scenes or how He uses Satan to fulfill His purposes. Many things will be hidden from us until we see Jesus face to face. But Scriptures such as Proverbs 3:4 ("The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.") give us clues that help us grasp the reason for evil, the purpose for suffering, and the justice and mercy involved in God's disciplines.
I know this response might seem ambiguous and incomplete. Hopefully we can do a chart that more clearly presents the differences.
answer below) From Tristan (5th letter):
I know this response might seem ambiguous and incomplete, so next week I hope to
make a chart that more clearly presents the differences.<<
I really like your charts so I look forward to it. I think I understand. Because Yahweh is omnicscent and omnipotent the metaphor fails. The metaphor breaks because God is in control of both power sources, both sets of wiring and both lightbulbs. This of course begs the question of why a God of that power would cause the Satan - demon - human circuit to occur. If the answer is free will then we need to ask if people who pray have free will. If both parties have free will then the division and metaphor resurects itself with a slight change.
There are two heaters. One is a good heater (Christians) and the other an evil heater (anyone who practices any metaphysical art). Both use electricity (God). The good heater gets its power from the true source (prayer? Holy Spirit?). The evil heater gets its power from the false source (magick? demons?) that is leaching power from the true source and denying that that is where the power is coming from (the act of denial of God). Both heaters have free will. They can adjust their flow of electricity or they can draw more electricty. They can choose to draw from the true source or from the false source. However, both must use electricity in order to function. This is very unusual electricity because it is sentient so if the electricity chose to stop flowing to either heater it could. So the false heater continues blindly along thinking that it is drawing its power from some other source (belief in other gods) and believing that it is not at the mercy of the electricity that it needs in order to function (belief that God (Yahweh) is not in charge). This is a very challenging thought process. How am I doing?
Your metaphor is interesting but -- as you said -- it can't adequately show God's omnipotence. It does shows that good and evil in God's creation is not a dualistic tension between two equal forces. But it might distort other Biblical realities. For example, it shows an imcomplete picture of the limited measure of "free will" held by Satan.
I appreciate your desire to understand all this. I hope I can put together a chart next weekend, which will help me give a Biblical response.Please see Unequal Contenders in the Spiritual War.
From Slim Shady: Goodness. You people are REALLY sick. In all my life, I have never seen a more humorous attempt to brainwash people. I cannot even fathom how you even watch television, what with all the "occult messages" and sorts. Your beliefs are sick and ridiculous, and you should be ashamed of yourselves....
Now, I don't care for pokemon or Harry potter, but for the
reason that I think it is stupid and retarded. I do, however, hold star wars in the
highest regards. Attacking George Lucas' opus is a low blow. Its a crying shame that he
made all this money from something unholy, isn't it? Doesn't it make you sick? Boy, I
hope so, cause that means you feel the way I felt when
I looked at your stupid website. Im so very glad that there are people like you in the world, so I can say to myself, "thank you God, for making me a NORMAL person."
In either case, I could sit here all day and make you
feel stupid, but im not going to. Im too busy watching star wars, and playing video
games that teach me to go out and shoot up the local shopping mall. (and also drinking
away my paycheck). This is the first website that made me spit my koolaid out from
laughing so hard. Thank you for making my evening ever so funny!!! If my habits are
going to send me to hell, then I will be happy to go. See ya there!!!
I thought hating someone for their beliefs was not Christian! I hope you people don't have access to guns and explosives. Because you are the type of people that blow up abortion clinics and hold kids hostage. my girlfriend had an abortion last year. Best decision we've ever made. We live together, and we are NOT married. How does that make you feel?)
I feel sad and sorry for you. You don't know what you are missing.
From Bill Nichols: I've always found that you have some of the most informative articles on some of the games and cartoons that my boys used to watch, like Pokemon and Dragonball....
Yesterday I found my oldest son, Lewis, looking at a video game website for a game called "Splatterhouse". The name itself disturbed me right away, and opon closer inspection of the site, I found references to Satanic imagery, undead monsters, and other things like that that I found even more disturbing. The main character of the game is even based on the killer from the "Friday The 13th" movies, according to the website.
I couldn't believe that a game like this existed, and that children have access to it. Frankly, I was disgusted by it. I just thought I would bring this to your attention. I still can't believe that filth like this is readily available.
In fellowship with Christ,
Thank you, Bill, for telling us about this horrible game. Your closing words reminded me of God's warning in 2 Cor. 6:12-18:
"...what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they shall be My people."
"Therefore, come out from among them and be separate," says the Lord. "Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters."
To give other parents a glimpse of its occult images and suggestions, I have posted some of the quotes from the website URL you sent us. Please pray, asking God's direction and protection before you read the following:
"As a terrible thunderstorm rages overhead, Rick and Jennifer enter West Mansion. Without warning, the door slams shut behind them, and total darkness fills the room. Rick hears Jennifer scream, then he feels something hit him at the base of his skull. He collapses, dead.
"...That's when the "Hell Mask" (otherwise known as the "Terror Mask" or just the Mask), an ancient Aztec sacrificial mask that West had been studying, appears. It floats in the air, then flies down and lands on Rick's head - mysteriously returning him to life! As he stands up, he feels a wave of strength course through his body, thanks to the power that the Mask is giving him. Then he sets off into the depths of the mansion to find Jennifer...
"In addition to your basic methods of attack - punching, kicking and the slide kick, there's a decent variety of weapons to be found. There's the cleaver, which you can use to decapitate zombies (and then watch the slime spout like geyser out of their necks as they collapse), a two by four - which you can use to smack zombies into the wall, wrenches, stones, harpoons, shotguns (eight shells per gun), and the axe - this can only be used when fighting the fourth level boss, which is an upside down cross that attacks you with flying heads (there's your Satanic imagery right there). ...
"...A great minor enemy is "Mirror Rick" - you enter a hall of mirrors, and as you walk through the room some of the mirrors explode, and evil clones of Rick pop out (one at a time - which is a good thing). Very cool. My favorite boss in the whole game is stage three's boss. He's a large, humanoid creature with no skin, a bag tied over his head and chainsaws for hands!
"... The last boss that Rick fights is also very impressive - it's a giant, decaying head that pops out of the ground. It tries to grab you, as well as throwing rocks up in the air that rain down on you - but he's not too difficult to defeat.
"A lot of little touches helped make Splatterhouse the great game that it is - hanging corpses that puke on you, strange muck creatures inhabiting the sewers, severed hands that chase you, diverging pathways in certain parts of the game, anime-style skull-toting female ghosts that shriek when you punch them, and a general B-horror movie feel to the whole thing."
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