Was Osama Bin Laden killed before February 2002?

Why the silence?

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   "...all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. But you must continue in the things which you have learned..."
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The Osama bin Laden Myth: "The alleged 'mastermind' of 9/11 said that he and al Qaeda had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack.... Osama bin Laden’s sensational denial was not reported by the US print and TV media. It was not investigated by the executive branch. ... Although only a few Americans are aware of the September 28, 2001 interview in which bin Laden states his non-involvement with the 9/11 attacks, many Americans have seen post-2001 videos in which a person alleged to be bin Laden takes credit for the attacks. ...

       "Bin Laden also suffered from kidney disease. According to a CBS news report on January 28, 2002, Osama bin Laden was hospitalized for dialysis treatment in the Pakistani military hospital in Rawalpindi on September 10, 2001, the day before 9/11. Obviously, a man suffering from terminal lung and kidney disease did not survive for another decade to be murdered by a US Navy SEAL team in Abbottabad.

       "A Pakistani TV interview with the neighbor of the alleged 'bin Laden compound exposed the assassination hoax. This sensational interview also went unreported by america’s 'free press.' I had the interview translated, and it is available here.  See also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13329078

       "Shortly after the alleged assassination 30 members of the SEAL unit died in a mysterious helicopter crash in Afghanistan, and now we learn that not a single one of the thousands of sailors on the aircraft carrier, the USS Carl Vinson, witnessed bin Laden’s alleged burial at sea from that ship. ... Adolf Hitler claimed that communists burned down the Reichstag and that Polish troops had crossed the frontier and attacked Germany. With 9/11 Americans experienced Washington’s version of these grand lies.....

       "In this interview, Osama bin Laden exhibits an understanding of US foreign policy. He expresses his views regarding the loss of life on 9/11. He also makes statements as to who, in his opinion, might be the likely perpetrator of the September 11 attacks. This is an important text which has not been brought to the attention of Western public opinion."

A Composite of All Versions of the Raid That [supposedly] Killed Osama: "There was a firefight. There wasn’t a firefight. Osama was resisting. He wasn’t armed.....First shot took place on the first floor. Osama is up on the third floor....He used his wife as a human shield. He didn’t use his wife as a human shield. His wife was killed.... Some other woman was used as a shield... She was killed but maybe she wasn’t. But who was she anyway?... Bin Laden’s son was killed, unless it was some other guy.....They were gonna capture Bin Laden until the problem with the helicopter, which was mechanical trouble, it did a hard soft landing... it clipped a wall with the tail rotor, it had to be blown up. Parts of it were just carted off by the Pakistan military....It was a kill mission... No, it wasn’t.... They were gonna capture him. The chopper blew up. No, the SEALs blew it up."

Orwellian Deceptions: [quotes from George Orwell's book, 1984) “It was therefore necessary to rewrite a paragraph of Big Brother’s speech, in such a way as to make him predict the thing that had actually happened.
      “'This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs.... In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record.'”
See Orwell's 1984

Pakistan suicide bomb kills 80 as Taliban seeks revenge for Bin Laden: "...It was conducted with ruthless efficiency....Abid Khan....found some 200 trainee soldiers strewn on the road among mangled vans and a pile of bags....'Some people had no hand. Some people had no foot. Some heads were far away [from] the people.'.... Commando instructor Gul Zaman...stood outside the crumbled barriers of the FC base, mourning his students. 'They were all just young boys,' he said quietly....

     "[There was] widespread scepticism among Pakistanis who, despite the blasts, continue to believe in astonishing numbers that the death of Bin Laden was concocted. 'It was all just a drama. Osama wasn't really there,' said taxi driver Hakimullah Jan in Shabqadar. 'The Pakistani army and the Americans are just players in this Osama drama.'"

Excerpts from an interview taped in 2008 with Benazir Bhutto two months before she was killed in Pakistan

Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered: In this amazing video, David Frost interviews Benazir Bhutto, who refers to "Omar Sheik, the man who murdered Osama Bin Laden." (2.19 minutes into the video.)

Notice, Bhutto doesn't give a date for the murder. She simply lists various names and past events and explains some of the connections. Omar Saeed (his full name: Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh) was third in command under Bin Laden. Saeed also killed journalist Daniel Pearl on February 1, 2002. He was caught, tried and imprisoned. Sheikh was indeed the murderer, he would have had to kill Osama Bin Laden before his [Sheikh] capture in 2002.

Bhutto referred to numerous events and people, mentioned Osama Bin Laden's death without dwelling on it. She didn't mention any date:

"These are the forces that really want to stop not just me but the democratic process and the will of the people from triumphing.... One of them is a very key figure in security. He's a former military officer. He is someone that has had dealings with [Jeze Mohammed?], one of the band groups of [Assar]... who was in a jail for decapitating... three American tourist.  He also had dealings with Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama Bin Laden.

     "Now I know that having dealings with people does not necessarily mean direct evidence. But I also know that internal security has totally collapsed in Pakistan and that internal security cannot collapse without there being some blind eye if not delusion...." 

Benazir Butto's matter-of-fact reference to Bin Laden's murderer suggests that this killing was no secret to Muslim leaders. But the Westen media has been totally silent. Why would they not want to discuss this revelation?  Why not explore it further? Why the continuing comments about Bin Laden's possible hiding places, when no one has evidence that he is still alive?


Not long after this interview Benazir Butto herself was killed!  If Bin Laden was killed, why did Barack Obama accuse the Republicans of failing to stop him? Why doesn't anyone suggest that he might already be dead? [See the next link]


Osama Bin Laden was murdered (a translated account): "Benazir said that the man who had killed Bin Laden is Omar Sheikh. I have observed with attention (and many others before me) and the lips say just that. Someone recalled that Omar Sheikh was an agent of the Pakistani military intelligence service ISI which transferred 100 thousand dollars to Mohammed Atta before the attack on 9 / 11.

       "Here the story ends and begins the scandal, but rather an endless mountain of scandals, one within another. ... Its presenter, David Frost, a man expert, do not think he realizes. Benazir not interrupted, no requests for clarification.

       "The second scandal is the silence of all the Western media (and obviously Italian).... At least to deny. But nothing. Silence. Do not you realize? ...no one writes a line or none of the media "mainstream" (the most important media ) devotes one line, a picture of the explosion of questions contained in those words.

        "The Economist, illustrious screen, like many others, has spent just a cover for their penultimate number to Pakistan, to define 'the most dangerous place in the world' but has not spent even half of this news item. And we are all involved in the global fight against terrorism, but neither government nor the American government, nor the CIA nor the FBI, they realize that the person indicated as head of global terrorism have killed or could have killed him. President George Bush keeps repeating his jaculatorias on terrorism and its threats against Iran and no one has said anything. ...

       "...Benazir Bhutto.... had nothing to do with September 11. But now I find it more clear why they have killed.  I knew too many things and one of them said.  And it has been enough...."


More recent Bin Laden "news" (May 2011)

Osama's Mysterious Death: "First is the question of why he was killed. One official said the Seals were on a 'kill mission.' Why wasn’t there a plan to take him alive (the Seals initially shot at him as he looked out of his room)? Of all the terrorists, he is the one most important to try to take alive and interrogate because of his comprehensive knowledge of the individuals, planning, operations, and funding of al Qaeda."

Another False Flag Operation? "Initial reports were sketchy... riddled with inaccuracies and inconsistencies. Americans, lied to too many times, began to doubt... No one heard two Black Hawk and two Chinook helicopters fly in. Even with radar evading 'stealth' technology, this claim is hard to believe.

     "No one heard a very loud explosion (the downed Black Hawk being blown up) or the large caliber gunfire emanating from the compound as SEAL Team 6 supposedly made its way.... No pictures of the dead Osama will be released.

     "...'spontaneous' groups shown celebrating bin Laden's supposed death in Times Square.... already had their neatly printed signs made all these years, ready to head for Times Square..."

White House Should Not Release bin Laden Photos: "Congressional Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), the Minority Whip, said there is no need for the White House to release a photo of Osama bin Laden’s dead body." Does such a photo even exist?

Dead bin Laden photo ‘is a fake’: "A photo released on Monday purporting to show Osama bin Laden’s body is now reported to be a fake. The image was carried by a number of international news agencies and broadcast by news channels around the world." See White House fumbles getting its Osama bin Laden story straight

Obama aide: Bin Laden not armed when killed: "Osama bin Laden was not armed... a White House spokesman said today, contrary to previous accounts provided by Obama administration officials....The new account changes the initial claim, later withdrawn, that bin Laden had used a woman believed to be his wife as a human shield....At a White House briefing yesterday, counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan said that bin Laden 'engaged in a firefight with those that entered the area..."

Questions about Bin Laden: "The face photo of a dead bin Laden that has been circulating on British media online sites is a fake. That has been confirmed by The Guardian site. It's a composite of an old bin Laden photo and an unknown dead man whose face was mashed up. The Guardian has the photos on its site, and you can see the fake was put together from two others.
      "GEO TV, a Pakistani media outlet, had apparently been reporting that Pakistani forces just killed bin Laden.....Now, however, on the GEO site, the story is changed. The new version is the official one. A US operation killed bin Laden....
     "In all the press reports I watched last night (Sunday), I heard no reference to the exact time of the attack on the house in Abbottabad. It's elementary journalism to nail a fact like that down.... (Sunday), US news outlets were reporting that a DNA test match had already been made between the man US Seals killed and bin Laden. So apparently, they already had a genuine DNA sample from bin Laden. But DNA testing takes time.... Now, US news outlets are changing their tune. The DNA testing is underway. It wasn't used to confirm bin Laden's death. Instead, 'facial recognition” was employed. This is not described....
      "For a long time, reports have circulated claiming bin Laden was already dead. The Pakistan Observer reported he died in December of 2001....So far, since yesterday, neither US or Pakistani officials have released a photo of the corpse of bin Laden.
      "President Obama claimed, last night, that bin Laden's burial would be handled in accordance with Islamic custom. So the press is now reporting his body has been dropped at sea. At least one Muslim cleric claims this is not Islamic custom, the body must be buried in the ground....
      "A few days before the 2004 election, a bin Laden video surfaced. Its authenticity was questioned. Some speculated it helped George Bush win a second term in office."

Osama bin Laden’s Second Death: [by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts] "If today were April 1 and not May 2, we could dismiss as an April fool’s joke this morning’s headline that Osama bin Laden was killed in a firefight in Pakistan and quickly buried at sea. As it is, we must take it as more evidence that the US government has unlimited belief in the gullibility of Americans.

     "Think about it. What are the chances that a person allegedly suffering from kidney disease and requiring dialysis and, in addition, afflicted with diabetes and low blood pressure, survived in mountain hideaways for a decade? If bin Laden was able to acquire dialysis equipment and medical care that his condition required, would not the shipment of dialysis equipment point to his location? Why did it take ten years to find him?...

     "This morning’s headline has the odor of a staged event.... No doubt President Obama is in desperate need of a victory. He committed the fool’s error or restarting the war in Afghanistan, and now after a decade of fighting the US faces stalemate, if not defeat. The wars of the Bush/Obama regimes have bankrupted the US, leaving huge deficits and a declining dollar in their wake. And re-election time is approaching."

Usama [new spelling of Osama] Bin Laden Killed in Firefight With U.S. Special Ops Team: "Declaring 'justice has been done,' President Obama announced late Sunday that Usama bin Laden was killed by U.S. forces in Pakistan, marking the end of the worldwide manhunt that began nearly a decade ago on Sept. 11, 2001....'For over two decades, bin Laden has been Al Qaeda’s leader and symbol, Obama said. 'The death of bin Laden marks the most significant achievement to date in our nation’s effort to defeat Al Qaeda.' He said a 'small team' of Americans went after bin Laden in Abbottabad on Sunday. 'After a firefight, they killed Usama bin Laden and took custody of his body'.... 'Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He was a mass murderer of Muslims,' Obama said. 'So his demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity.'

      "Officials said bin Laden’s body, which was in U.S. custody, was given a sea burial."

      Why would America honor its foe with burial in the distant sea? This quick disposal of the assumed body could prevent any verification through Osama's ample European hospital records. Were any pictures taken? Any evidence to show us that the man was Osama Bin Laden? Remember, the main stream media tells us what our leaders want us to believe -- information that often conflicts with actual facts. As David Rockefeller apparently told the Bilderbergers back in 1991,

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years....It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years."

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Osama Bin Laden was murdered: "...the person who said he had been killed was not an unimportant person in the Pakistani scene."

Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive?  By David Ray Griffin

In this book, David Ray Griffin examines the evidence for the claim—made by everyone from former CIA agent Robert Baer to Oliver North—that bin Laden is surely no longer with us.  He analyzes the purported messages from bin Laden and finds that, as many have suspected, they do not provide evidence of bin Laden’s existence after 2001. This leads naturally to the question: if Osama bin Laden did indeed die in 2001, how and why have dozens of “messages from bin Laden” appeared since then? 

Griffin’s meticulous analysis supports above all one simple and urgent conclusion: if Osama bin Laden is dead, the US should not be using its troops and treasure to hunt him down. 

"David Ray Griffin, one of America’s most careful and judicious  political analysts, specializes in subjects the mainstream media and most politicians prefer to ignore. Three cheers to him now for taking  on the question of whether Osama bin Laden died some years ago and  should therefore no longer be a reason for the United States to continue its war in Afghanistan. There are powerful forces both in the United States and some of its allies that undoubtedly want a  clash of civilizations. Some of these forces may well have acted  secretly in the past, and may still be working, to create situations,  real or false, to bring about more warfare. Griffin’s new book, with  its evidence that ‘messages from bin Laden’ may have been fabricated,  should encourage a complete rethinking of the mission in Afghanistan.”
       —William Christison, former senior CIA official

“Osama bin Laden is the world’s best-known terrorist, but how much of  what we think we know about him is real? ... Based on the  evidence, he suggests that bin Laden may have been dead for some  time. If so, this means that some covert operators have been  fabricating tapes to keep Osama bin Laden alive in the public’s imagination."
—Terrell E. Arnold, former deputy director of the US State Department Office of Counterterrorism, author of A World Less Safe

“This book is part of a growing body of nonfiction that illuminates  the cataclysmic gap between those with power, who do as they please, and those with knowledge, who are not heard.…”
—Robert David Steele Vivas, recovering spy, founder of the USMC  Intelligence Center, CEO of OSS.Net, and CEO of Earth Intelligence Network

Obama aide: Bin Laden not armed when killed: "Osama bin Laden was not armed... a White House spokesman said today, contrary to previous accounts provided by Obama administration officials....The new account changes the initial claim, later withdrawn, that bin Laden had used a woman believed to be his wife as a human shield....At a White House briefing yesterday, counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan said that bin Laden 'engaged in a firefight with those that entered the area..."