Quotes and Excerpts
So glad you posted the link to the MacArthur/Pagitt clip on your
In addition I found an MP3 link to Doug Pagitt’s off-the-air
comments -- the same audio as heard on the youtube broadcast.
Here’s the MP3 link: http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/sounds/01pagitt.mp3
The MP3 might also be helpful to have on hand.
As you requested, I also found a transcript of Pagitt’s comments
at Apprising Ministries. Below is the transcript and here’s the
site link: http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/09/emerging_church_3.html
EMERGING CHURCH PASTOR DOUG PAGITT: POST CNN INTERVIEW COMMENTS
CONCERNING DR. JOHN MACARTHUR
Below is a transcription from Apprising Ministries of what Doug
Pagitt had to say to an employee of a station affiliated with
CNN about Dr. John MacArthur. I’m presenting this right now with
no further comment except to say as a pastor-teacher myself this
is/was an unacceptable missed opportunity to properly represent
Doug Pagitt introduces the audio clip he recorded, which you can
download courtesy of Spurgeon.org:
“On Tuesday September 11th I did an interview with Headline News
on Yoga and it was with John MacArthur, he’s another pastor and
he had an opinion about Yoga not being good for Christians. And
I expressed my opinions about it, and we were interviewed–about
a four or five minute show–and I’ll put a whole podcast on about
the making of that thing. And I’ll ah...”
“But this little piece here is a response of the woman who was
recording, or doing the filming, of the...in ‘Mini-apple.’ And I
just thought that her response to me after interview–she’s just
been very nice and kind–was really interesting. There’s this
little part where she says–you might even find it hard to
[hear]–she’ll say, ‘That’s the stuff, right there, that keeps
younger people from going to church.’ ”
“And she said, ‘That’s just crazy.’ So it’s just kind of a fun
little response she was having. I’m not trying to be rude to Dr.
MacArthur or anything, but I think her response in just flat out
listening to this–I’d never met her before–we just met right
there...is really indicative of a lot of things. So this is
following–the first bit you hear–is me talking with the people,
through the earpiece, in Atlanta.”
“And then she comes in the room and we have a little
conversation; about a minute and a half or so. So...here’s that
part of it all”:
Pagitt: Yeah, yeah,...well, you’re sure welcome. Ok, so was it
on live too, and then be re-aired? Huh; yeah, that’s great.
Woman: [Way to] go.
Pagitt: Well, thanks. It’s just so weird, isn’t it? [background,
“Yes.”] To hear people say stuff like that, like what he’s
Woman: [unintelligible] the reason why younger people don’t go
to church. You know what I mean?
Pagitt: I do.
Woman: Because everything is so black and white. You know a
position has nothing to do with your body and your spiritual th–you
kidding me? [Pagitt snickers in the background] Seriously.
Pagitt: Seriously, [mockingly] “if you want to relieve stress go
to the Word of God.” [chuckles]
Pagitt: [snickering] Oh my goodness.
Woman: It’s like, that’s totally separate; how can you even–ah.
Pagitt: Ah, I don’t know; I...
Woman: I’m glad they have you.
Pagitt: Thanks. Thanks, I apologize for him. [laughs]. Ah...
Woman: [sighs] Well, maybe since that was such a nice
conversation, they didn’t give us a lot of time, maybe we can
see you again–
Pagitt: Maybe we’ll do it again sometime. Wouldn’t that be fun.
Woman: I got your recording so they did go live with it.
Pagitt: Well, that’s nice.
Woman: That’s here... [unintelligible] you have a DVD–
Pagitt: I have a DVD player. Now my phone should start ringing.
All my quirky friends calling me.
Woman: “I saw you...”
Pagitt: “You were pathetic.”
Pagitt: “I told you to sit up.” I can hear it now.
Woman: No, you were great.
Pagitt: Well, thanks.
Woman: And you didn’t sound crazy either.
Pagiit: [laughing] Thanks.
Woman: Like tha’ other guy. But then you get to watch it again,
Pagitt: Yeah, watch it over and over.
Woman: An’ wanna make more copies.
Woman: It was cool to meet you.
Pagitt: Yeah, thank you. Good to know you.
Pagitt: Should I leave the tag with you.
Woman: I’ll take it for ya. Is it easy for you to go out that
Pagitt: Go out that door? Yeah, because I’m parked across the
Woman: Oh, cool.
Woman: Alright, you have a good day.
Pagitt: Thanks so much.
From: Berit Kjos [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:06 AM
To: 'Anne Kahn'
Subject: RE: BERIT Listen: D. Pagitt mocking J. MacArthur
Anne, I just posted the link to the video below on our news
I quoted you at the beginning but didn’t include your name. I
hope that’s okay.
From: Anne Kahn [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:52 PM
To: Kjos Ministries
Subject: BERIT Listen: D. Pagitt mocking J. MacArthur
Both shocking and pathetic!... Listen to ‘Pastor’ Doug Pagitt in
this clip as he mocks and apologizes for Pastor John MacArthur’s
Biblical position on Yoga.
This is a 10 ½ minute clip from a CNN broadcast. The first 6 ½
minutes are Pastor John MacArthur and Doug Pagitt, Emergent
church leader, expressing convictions regarding Christianity and
Beginning at 6:56 minutes, you will hear Doug Pagitt demeaning
Pastor MacArthur’s statements made during the broadcast… these
comments were made by Pagitt following the televised broadcast…
his off-the-air conversation with a CNN film crew employee.
Every Christian should hear this clip, pass it along to every
believer they know, share it with church leadership… and
discern, discern, discern!